#100998: "The selection of gurus by the number of games played generates a representativeness bias"
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• Kui näed ekraanil veateadet, kopeeri see siia.
-• Kirjelda, mida sa soovisid teha, mida sa tegid ja mis juhtus
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Palun kopeeri/kleebi kuvatud tekst inglise keeles, mitte sinu oma keeles. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
-• Kas see tekst on kättesaadav tõlkesüsteemis ? Kui jah, kas see on tõlgitud rohkem kui 24 tundi tagasi?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Palun selgita oma ettepanekut täpselt ja lühidalt, et oleks võimalikult lihtne mõista, mida silmas pead.
-• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Mis oli ekraanil, kui sind blokeeriti? (Tühi ekraan? Osa mänguliidesest? Veateade?)
-• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Millist osa BGA kohandamisest ei järgitud
-• Kas reeglite rikkumist on mängu taasesitusel näha? Kui jah, siis mitmendal käigul?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Milline oli mängu tegevus, mida tahtsid sooritada?
-• Mida püüdsid teha, et seda mängu tegevust käivitada?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• Mis juhtus, kui seda proovisite (veateade, mängu olekuriba teade, ...)?
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Millises mängu etapis esines probleem (Mis oli selle mänguetapi instruktsioon)?
-• Mis juhtus, kui proovisite sooritada seda mängu käiku (veateade, mängu olekuriba sõnum, ...)?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Kirjelda kuvamise probleemi. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
-• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Palun kopeeri/kleebi kuvatud tekst inglise keeles, mitte sinu oma keeles. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
-• Kas see tekst on kättesaadav tõlkesüsteemis ? Kui jah, kas see on tõlgitud rohkem kui 24 tundi tagasi?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
• Palun selgita oma ettepanekut täpselt ja lühidalt, et oleks võimalikult lihtne mõista, mida silmas pead.
-• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Google Chrome v117
Aruande ajalugu
You seem to misunderstand how gurus work.
You can be a guru without playing in the arena so people playing the game in various configurations CAN be represented.
But it is true that many experienced players only play or mostly play in Arena mode and they might pass for a season if they don't like the configuration which creates an unwelcome form of inertia.
Perhaps games with more players should count for a bit more as they take more time ?
I don't think that forcing other players counts to be represented would be a good idea.
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You aren't more likely to become a guru in a short game because the number of games required to play to become a guru depends on how many times the other players play the game.
I have once been a guru for a game (Expedition Northwest) for playing a single game in that season and I didn't even have 100 ELO.
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It is also true that making gurus only those who play the game a lot creates a bias.
I think that there should be a certain randomness to it to create representativity :
- on top of the players selected for having played the most, some players should be selected randomly at some specific time before the end of the season. There would be a minimum requirement like having finished 2 games within the season, excluding "friendly" games.
All in all, I don't think it is a very important issue but it is an issue.
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