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#100867: "Military Convoy fails to play second world (with new military power and goal marker)"
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Play a second military world with leftover military power.• Mida püüdsid teha, et seda mängu tegevust käivitada?
I started my turn with 3 military power (an a Military Convoy from a previous turn).
I played Lost Alien Warship using a goal marker for +2 military power
Lost Alien Warship provides 2 more military power (which is then usable on a second world per the rules: "A world’s power or icons cannot affect its own placement (but can affect placing a second world, see below).")
The game then correctly prompted me that "you may place a second world" and correctly highlighted the Gem Smugglers (cost: 1 Military Defense)
I then clicked the world and clicked to play it.• Mis juhtus, kui seda proovisite (veateade, mängu olekuriba teade, ...)?
"Unexpected error: Cannot afford to conquer this planet with *leftover* military strength (reference: GS9 10/10 00:21:38)"
"If your game interface seems unstable, press F5 or click here to reload"
The card then disappears from my hand with the "play selected cards" button still highlighted and clickable (which, if clicked, provided the same error messages)• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
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okt 10 th 2023 0:24 • Royalflush • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
F5 returns the game state to the beginning of my attempt to play a second world, and produces the same error every time.
okt 10 th 2023 0:25 • Royalflush • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
I suspect the problem is something about the game counts the goal marker in the background
okt 12 th 2023 9:21 • Slewfoot • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
I would suggest that BGA confirm with the game designer exactly when a Goal Marker can be used when using Military Convoy. The rules state "leftover" military strength are to be used to conquer the second world. So it may not be allowed to use a Goal Marker after the first world is conquered as the Goal Marker would generate
additional military strength, but would not be "leftover" military strength.
This situation where a player would want to wait until after conquering the first world whether or not to use a Goal Marker would come into play if the player is conquering a world without placing a development, and the additional one card income drawn is a military world that can now be only be conquered using a Goal Marker and a previously placed Military Convoy. Also, it is theoretically possible that a player would want to wait until after other players' moves are revealed to decide which world to conquer using Military Convoy, and then decide to use a Goal Marker at that point.
additional military strength, but would not be "leftover" military strength.
This situation where a player would want to wait until after conquering the first world whether or not to use a Goal Marker would come into play if the player is conquering a world without placing a development, and the additional one card income drawn is a military world that can now be only be conquered using a Goal Marker and a previously placed Military Convoy. Also, it is theoretically possible that a player would want to wait until after other players' moves are revealed to decide which world to conquer using Military Convoy, and then decide to use a Goal Marker at that point.
okt 22 nd 2023 16:11 • bananasplay • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
To provide a counter perspective, I don't think it should matter how military strength is generated prior to the first world's settling—leftover is leftover.
Also, in the case provided by the submitter, the goal marker was used /prior/ to the settling of the first world, so I think the timing is unambiguous here, and thus causes no issue (from a rule perspective) in terms of being "leftover" for the purposes of Military Convoy.
Also, in the case provided by the submitter, the goal marker was used /prior/ to the settling of the first world, so I think the timing is unambiguous here, and thus causes no issue (from a rule perspective) in terms of being "leftover" for the purposes of Military Convoy.
nov 10 th 2023 5:23 • ZBeast • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
table=437367352, ~move 19
jaan 14 th 2024 6:42 • FSKFSK • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
I had the same thing happen in a game.
boardgamearena.com/1/jumpdrive?table=461915121
If you have a goal marker and military convoy, it won't let you play a goal marker when playing the second military world.
boardgamearena.com/1/jumpdrive?table=461915121
If you have a goal marker and military convoy, it won't let you play a goal marker when playing the second military world.
jaan 19 th 2024 17:30 • greenjacket124 • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
Confirming just a rules interpretation, there is nothing in the Terminal Velocity rules that says anything like "goal markers cannot be used when placing a second world". They should be usable for second worlds. And the effect of them is reducing the conquest cost of a planet and should also therefore impact the leftover military power you have in relation to Military Convoy.
jaan 22 nd 2024 13:27 • Slewfoot • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
Minor clarification to my Oct. 12 2023 post: The word in the rules and on the card "Military Convoy" is "unused", not "leftover". I would presume that one could use a goal marker on the second Military World conquered, based on the rules in Terminal Velocity and the original Jump Drive.
jaan 22 nd 2024 19:57 • greenjacket124 • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
In terms of this "bug" itself, I had a game a few days ago where this process worked completely fine for me. I used a goal marker to reduce the military power needed to conquer a planet, the planet gave me additional military power, and then I used that in conjunction with Military Convoy to place a second military planet. I did not receive any red error banner related to not having enough power.
jaan 22 nd 2024 22:49 • greenjacket124 • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
Regarding my last comment, it was on table #464599267 and moves number 17 to 18
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=464599267
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=464599267
jaan 23 rd 2024 3:05 • Slewfoot • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
I tried a Solitaire game, and the bug is still there. boardgamearena.com/table?table=465698925 (Moves 13 and 14)
I conquered the Rebel World using a goal marker, giving me a total military strength of 12, of which 7 were used to conquer Rebel World. 5 Military should be left unused, enabling me to conquer Rebel Outpost. However the game will not let me conquer it.
In greenjacket124's game, the first world conquered (LABF) gave enough additional Military strength (+3) to conquer the second world (IUR) without needing the extra two Military from the Goal Marker.
I conquered the Rebel World using a goal marker, giving me a total military strength of 12, of which 7 were used to conquer Rebel World. 5 Military should be left unused, enabling me to conquer Rebel Outpost. However the game will not let me conquer it.
In greenjacket124's game, the first world conquered (LABF) gave enough additional Military strength (+3) to conquer the second world (IUR) without needing the extra two Military from the Goal Marker.
jaan 23 rd 2024 15:31 • greenjacket124 • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
Slew, your example definitely brings it into the spotlight there, especially since your first planet was not adding any additional military power. It's almost as if the logic is using the goal marker but not applying the military power because it was already high enough.
nov 20 th 2024 1:27 • FSKFSK • Viga ei ole veel arendajate poolt taasloodud:
I had this happen in another game. (turn 6)
boardgamearena.com/10/jumpdrive?table=591159181
If you have military convoy, the game won't let you use a goal marker on the second military world. You have to play your goal marker on the first military world if you're using military convoy. This matters, for example, if you play just a military world and draw another military world.
boardgamearena.com/10/jumpdrive?table=591159181
If you have military convoy, the game won't let you use a goal marker on the second military world. You have to play your goal marker on the first military world if you're using military convoy. This matters, for example, if you play just a military world and draw another military world.
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