#114471: "'Forest Fires' not prevented from 'Ecological Protection Service'"
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• Kui näed ekraanil veateadet, kopeeri see siia.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Kirjelda, mida sa soovisid teha, mida sa tegid ja mis juhtus
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Palun kopeeri/kleebi kuvatud tekst inglise keeles, mitte sinu oma keeles. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Kas see tekst on kättesaadav tõlkesüsteemis ? Kui jah, kas see on tõlgitud rohkem kui 24 tundi tagasi?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Palun selgita oma ettepanekut täpselt ja lühidalt, et oleks võimalikult lihtne mõista, mida silmas pead.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Mis oli ekraanil, kui sind blokeeriti? (Tühi ekraan? Osa mänguliidesest? Veateade?)
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Millist osa BGA kohandamisest ei järgitud
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Kas reeglite rikkumist on mängu taasesitusel näha? Kui jah, siis mitmendal käigul?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Milline oli mängu tegevus, mida tahtsid sooritada?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Mida püüdsid teha, et seda mängu tegevust käivitada?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly -
• Mis juhtus, kui seda proovisite (veateade, mängu olekuriba teade, ...)?
• mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Millises mängu etapis esines probleem (Mis oli selle mänguetapi instruktsioon)?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Mis juhtus, kui proovisite sooritada seda mängu käiku (veateade, mängu olekuriba sõnum, ...)?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Kirjelda kuvamise probleemi. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Palun kopeeri/kleebi kuvatud tekst inglise keeles, mitte sinu oma keeles. Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Kas see tekst on kättesaadav tõlkesüsteemis ? Kui jah, kas see on tõlgitud rohkem kui 24 tundi tagasi?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
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• Palun selgita oma ettepanekut täpselt ja lühidalt, et oleks võimalikult lihtne mõista, mida silmas pead.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • mis on sinu veebilehitseja?
Mozilla v5
Aruande ajalugu
Especially since knowing that nothing will happen is extremely tricky.
Or it's just a bug.
One player wasn't personally affected by the crisis card, but the remaining (board) effects still occur.
No bug here. It's a legal move to use Ecological Protection Service suboptimally. If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone.
Or at least one person will understand it. Can you imagine that you would use the effect for nothing on this case?
For me it's obvious and it's a no.
Now to come back to Online, I can see why it could be different.
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I don't have an example in mind, but I suppose you could find some where doing something extremely bad (like doing an action which lead to you losing) would get an extra prompt from the game telling you should not do it.
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"If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone." => You could automate things which are good most of the time. That would not make the game play itself since in many cases you should do something different. But that's not great I agree with you that enforcing optimal play would be overall detrimental.
But here it was not enforcing optimal play but not doing something which is no sense.
In summary, we allow you to make your own moves, both good and bad.
- Protection said 'once per turn, one player may ignore the effects of one crisis card if [...]'
- and Forest Fires said 'The player [...] removes 1 Tree and [...]'
And so when you decide that the player ignore the effects of that crisis, that player should not do anything anymore about the crisis.
But so, when the crisis ask that player to removes trees, he just can't, so no player is allowed to remove trees.
Again I can see why in code that would be different, but when I read carefully both card, that's not the interpretation I have.
As long as we're switching positions, let me present this narrative:
1) I tried reproducing this in a test game and it works exactly how you're suggesting it was.
2) In your game, I see that the card both "had no effect" and then, after no effect, it caused the trees to be removed or whatever...
3) ...which is a little confusing...
4) ...until I noticed that the effect worked perfectly, then you drew the SECOND Forest Fires crisis card and suffered its effect.
In summary, Ecological Protection Service is working perfectly fine, but it only works once per round. You drew two of the same card and cancelled the first. There's no bug here.
Sorry for that :(
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- Teine laua ID / käigu ID
- Kas F5 lahendas probleemi?
- Kas probleem esines mitmel korral? Igal korral?
- Kui sul on sellest veast ekraanipilt (hea tava), saad kasutada Imgur.com selle üleslaadimiseks ja lingi siia kopeerida.
